A Democratic Congressman and combat veteran called for a timetable to pull troops out of Iraq, and suddenly media are talking about a "tipping point" in debate on the war. How real a shift has there been, and is withdrawal from Iraq, an idea that garners major support from the public, really something the pundit class is ready to take seriously? We'll talk with author and media critic Norman Solomon about getting out of Iraq.

Also on the show: While evidence that the White House has officially sanctioned torture has been mounting, the Wall Street Journal editorial page editors are ignoring the facts, denying White House involvement, at the same time as they are arguing for legislation that would permit the administration to use more abusive treatment on detainees. Alternet contributor Onnesha Roychoudhuri will join us to talk about the Wall Street Journal’s tortured position on detainee abuse.

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—Norman Solomon

—"So-called torture" is all we've got..., by Onnesha Roychoudhuri (AlterNet, 11/17/05)