Jon Lee Anderson is a reporter I've long admired–since reading Inside the League: The Shocking Expose of How Terrorists, Nazis and Latin American Death Squads Have Infiltrated the World Anti-Communist League, which he co-wrote in 1986. But his latest piece for the New Yorker, "Slumlord: What Has Hugo Chavez Wrought in Venezuela?" (1/28/13–subscription required), reads almost like a parody of corporate media coverage of an official enemy state.
"For decades…Venezuela was a dynamic and mostly stable democracy. As one of the world's most oil rich nations, it had a growing middle class, with an impressively high standard of living…. Most other Latin Americans had come to regard the country as a beautiful place for beautiful people."
Then Hugo Chavez came to power: "His pronounced goal was to elevate the poor," Anderson writes. "In Caracas, the nation's capital, the results of his fitful campaign are plain to see":
After decades of neglect, poverty, corruption and social upheaval, Caracas has deteriorated beyond all measure…. Venders wade through the gridlock, hawking toys, insecticides and bootleg DVDs, while drug addicts wash windshields or juggle for change. Spray-painted graffiti covers facades; trash is piled up on roadsides. The Guaire River, which runs through the heart of the city, is a gray torrent of foul-smelling water. Along its banks live hundreds of homeless indigents, mostly drug addicts and the mentally ill.
Anderson goes on like this for 11 pages. The astute reader will note that Chavez has not been in power for "decades," and at one point the reporter does note that "by the time Chavez assumed power, in 1999, the city center was neglected and run-down." But how it fell to this state from what Anderson calls "the good life in Venezuela" is not discussed; nor is anyone blamed for any of Venezuela's problems other than Chavez himself. This is, as the subhead says, a portrait of what Chavez has wrought.
And Chavez's problem, aside from what Anderson calls his "typical grandiosity," is that he takes things that don't belong to him. Architecture professor Guillermo Barrios, whose judgments the story returns to repeatedly, says that Chavez's urban policy "can be defined by confiscation, expropriation, governmental incapacity and the use of violence." Later, talking about people living in abandoned buildings, Barrios fumes, "The political discourse that has justified the invasions, the outright thievery, has come out of Chavez's speeches."
The bulk of the article is devoted to a half-finished skyscraper called the Tower of David, abandoned since 1993, that's been inhabited by squatters since 2007. Weirdly, Anderson seems to feel genuine moral outrage at the fact that people have turned a useless ruin into a home:
For many caraquenos, the Tower is a byword for everything that is wrong with their society: a community of invaders living in their midst, controlled by armed gangsters with the tacit acquiescence of the Chavez government.
When Anderson tours the building later in the piece, it seems relatively peaceful, but he never really gives up the idea that there's all sorts of scary violence there that he never sees. The violence that is apparent is to the sacredness of private property, and that seems to trouble the New Yorker's correspondent. A Venezuelan journalist describes the Tower's residents as "refugees from an underdeveloped state living in a structure that belongs to the First World."
When the Tower's leader defends their occupation, saying, "We rescued it with the vision of living here in harmony," Anderson sneers, "This was a minority opinion." For proof, he turns again to Barrios: "The Tower of David wasn't a beautiful example of self-determination by the people but a violent invasion."
Of course, the idea that the Chavez-hating architect represents the majority opinion in Venezuela more than the Chavista community leader is dubious. As Anderson admits toward the end of the article, Chavez has won "one election after another." But that just makes Venezuelans "the victims of their affection for a charismatic man, whom they allowed to become the central character on the Venezuelan stage, at the expense of everything else."
Everything else? You'd be shocked to learn after reading the New Yorker piece that Venezuelans have done quite well economically under Chavez's administration, with per capita income rising 58 percent since 1999. And as average income has risen, Venezuelan wealth has become markedly more equally distributed (Extra!, 12/12), so the gains for the poor have been even greater (FAIR Blog, 12/13/12).
Anderson's acknowledgment of this could hardly be more grudging: "The poorest Venezuelans are marginally better off these days," he writes. It seems like for the New Yorker, rising standards of living for the poor don't matter much when weighed against the fact that rich people lost some property they weren't using.



Its very simple to describe Venezuela for the past 14 years. The Brain governing in Venezuela is in Havana and checkbook is in Venezuela. At no other time in the History of Venezuela has there been such a immense immigration of Venezuelans fleeing their country. Chavez goal has been to imitate Cuba in Everything that is why Venezuela will not prosper and its future disastrous. Chavez looks upto Castro because he has been rabidly ANTI-AMERICAN and has ruled under an
Iron Grip running his gulag of a country how he pleases exporting Propaganda about healthcare, education, and his endless assassination plots. Who is ruling Venezuela the Castro brothers and his henchmen. As all Dictators critics of Capitalism while they themselves and their familes live like the wealthiest capitalist.
I have spent time in Caracas Venezuela every year since 2000. Great city, great people. I highly recommend a visit. It does help if you speak Spanish. I ride on the Metro and the local buses. If you are a senior citizen they are free. I go walking by myself on the Avila and Parque Miranda. I have never had food shortages although the price of the excellent Venezuelan dark chocolate has increased. Enjoy!
Pamela Collett there is a fundamental difference between living in Caracas (as, living permanently, like I do) and "spent some time" every now an then…
It's pretty much the difference between having spent some time in Caracas (as Jon Lee Anderson surely did) and having spent none (like the author of this blog post, whose main piece evidence to contend with Jon Lee Anderson's first hand testimony is… well, just raw data and numbers)
Very well. I live in Caracas, and has lived there all of my life. I'm 27 now.
It's quite easy to stand and say "Well, that's a democracy. They've elected him four times now."
* Hugo Chavez ordered the shut-down of a TV channel. You may say "he didn't, he just didn't renovate the permission to broadcast." That would be like saying "I didn't kill him, I just didn't feed him."
* The time he lost an election, for the unlimited reelection, he denounced the opposition as "creeps," saying it was a "shitty victory." A year later, he ignored the will of the people by manipulating the law, having another election for the same subject, and win.
* When Antonio Ledezma won as a major of Caracas, Hugo Chavez ignored once again the will of voters, by creating a "Capital Vice-Presidency," stripping Ledezma of his powers, in favor of a major-like figure, partisan to his politics.
* Weeks before parliamentary elections, he had the districts re-arranged so his side would get more seats on an Assembly that is, as a matter of fact, ruled by his subordinates.
* The supreme court, the elections council and the state attorney are partisans of his. Those who tried to maintain an impartial view were fired. Some of those, were prosecuted.
* The Military must swear for Socialism, a project Chavez has created but nobody really knows what it's about.
* On the last presidential election, he verbally assaulted Capriles with everything he could think of, in every speech he gave, dedicating national funds to the reelection campaign. I must remind you now that the National Elections Council, the "impartial arbiter" is controlled by Chavez, directed by partisans of his (the previous National Elections Council's president was none other than Jorge Rodriguez, THE vice-president and major that is referred to in the original article).
* The State controls more than half of the country's media.
* Hugo Chavez has gone on the record saying that the concentration of powers is the best way to rule, as independent views are a creation of Imperialism.
You must bear in mind that all of what I've exposed are political rights. Regarding quality of life, there are just no measures taken against crime. If you think 300 deaths a month is the mark of a free, growing nation, we're clearly not on the same page. Just this morning, I saw the Penintentiary- Affairs Minister, Iris Varela, saying that the massacre at Uribana's Jail was handled and powered by the private media.
I remember Sean Penn's and Oliver Stone's takes on Chavez, repeating how he has improved the Venezuelan's quality of life. Who do you think is giving them that information? Who do you think receives them when they come visiting?
Yup. The government.
I personally can attest that The New Yorker's article is spot on. Understand this: Hugo Chavez is a magnificent speaker. It's very easy to fall in love with his views (as all of my family did when they voted for him for his first presidency). But it's one thing to call for the devil, and another to see him come. Because, you know, when three kids are robbing you with a knife to your throat (like the last time I was robbed), chances are the government isn't doing his job right.
I absolutely love the fact the only people disagreeing with this article, actually live Venezuela.
Thanks Alfonzo, to be honest I was just baffled by ignorance displayed by many here and wanted to give the perspective of someone who lives here and isn't exactly a "bourgeois". On second thought, our message might not reach out, because they'll see what they want to see. That's the main reason why I don't ascribe to any particular ideology: fanaticism blinds you.
You're welcome Lisbeth.
What I found baffling, about this whole issue, is the amount of people living comfortably abroad, who have the nerve, and the audacity of teaching us lessons, to pass judgement about how is supposed to be the reality we live everyday… I mean, astounding hubris!
As Mr. Nuareckas questions Mr. Anderson integrity, what I ponder is: What should I think about him, as he argues using strawman fallacy to support assertions like this: "It seems like for the New Yorker, rising standards of living for the poor don't matter much when weighed against the fact that rich people lost some property they weren't using"… I mean, is that even the point? Is that really what Mr. Anderson is trying to say?
The point, at least for me is this: If everything is so well, so dandy in Venezuela, why these people have to be living there, anyway?
To Lourdes, Victor, Lisbeth, Alfonso et. al. who live or lived (really or vicariously) in Venezuela and are anti-Chavez. The perspective of this column and those comments that you damn so vehemently is, in large part, that of citizens of the US Empire. If you have problems with Chavez, deal with them–preferably through peaceful, democratic means.
What your angry comments strangely ignore is the historic role of the Empire in dictating the who, what, where and when of the politics and economic policies of every nation state south of its borders. I assume that a 27 year old Venezuelan knows that shameful history–the hemispheric imperialism that continues today, most noticeably in Haiti, Honduras, Colombia, and Mexico. The only reason that US troops weren't sent to "rescue" Venezuela during Chavez's time in power is that the warmongers had put all their resources into attacking innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan and couldn't afford to make the effort.
Our fear, our anguish, is that propaganda such as this New Yorker article feeds into the jingoistic imperialism that might lead into the next invasion, the next occupation and the next round of death.
This is not an idle fear. With the new drone warfare making multiple theatre war cheaper and cleaner, even our Nobel Peace Prize winning chief executive might be talked into sending a "message" via a few dones in the night skies over Caracas, just because he can. He's already doing that in Yemen and Pakistan and who-knows-where-else. They're being introduced, on a trial basis, in several cities in the US now. And other countries are now getting them.
Good luck to the peoples of Earth.
Steve,
You can at least condemn the US government. If you denounce Venezuela's government as a dictatorship, you are persecuted and stripped of your political rights (for more on this, google Leopoldo Lopez and Raul Isaias Baduel).
Why are you assuming my comments are "angry"? I'm just explaining the facts, according to my view, sitting comfortable in my chair. Also, why are you assuming I am pro-US intervention? Yes, I am aware of the CIA dealings on the hemisphere and it would be naive to think that the US is not interested in our oil. It would also be incredibly naive to believe in the Socialist Paradise Chavez is trying to create with the hyperinflation we're dealing with, and the astonishing death toll per week. Specially when you're not experiencing it yourself.
I'm sort of shocked at how that principle of all free thinkers, "You shall always question authority," goes out the window when populism arrives.
I understand your worries, Steve. But I need you to understand too: that reality painted by The New Yorker? I live it. Every day. To me, it's not theory or just an article. It's an account of how we live, for the rest of the world to see. Can you believe, and I am not being biased in the slightest on this, that on the State's TV Station there was not a single piece of news regarding the Uribana's penitentiary massacre that occurred last January 26? 58 people (so far) died. Look into pro-Chávez news, tell me if you see anything about it.
So, please, open your mind. Consider that when the Bolivarian government says they're the salvation of the poor, they might be lying. Although I understand (and agree) with your takes on interventionism, I'm telling you that the other guy just has a better publicist.
Steve, way to miss the point. This is, for one, NOT about America. No one here is pro-interventionism, blatantly spreading misinformation about a country you don't live in, is helping no one though.
What you have shown me here is that you guys can't really help yourselves. Might be interventionism, or the naive arrogance in trying to "protect" us, but you really need to meddle into other countries' business.
Victor,
I completely sympathize with you about the corruption and dysfunction in Venezuela today under Chavez. What irks me is that articles like this are not intended to just criticize a bad leader; they are intended to propagandize against an economic system, socialism, and a political concept, populism. I think most liberals, like myself, have wanted to believe in Chavez because we thought he was attempting to thwart the ages old rule by the wealthy and powerful few over the many.
Socialism is not an end in itself. It is a complement to Capitalism, and both are needed to create a balanced, healthy economy. To condemn Chavez's Venezuela as a failure of socialism instead of the failure of a leader is throwing out the baby with the bath water. It is exremely unfortunate that socialist zealots like Castro and Chavez are held up as the examples of what will categorically happen when socialist principles are applied. Nobody ever talks about Norway or Sweden where socialist principles, and capitalist principles in tandem, have created a happy and prosperous society.
The hidden message in Anderson's article is that whenever anybody threatens the capitalist hegmony, tries to create a more just and egalitarian system by introducing more socialism, the inevitable result is a corrupt, personality worshipping dictatorship.
We are still in the Cold War. Capitalism, the right hand, has won the war of attrition against its left hand, Socialism, and will not rest until it is banished, severed from the future of human history.
I have no qualms about giving Chavez the criticizing he deserves; just leave the political theorizing out. Capitalism and Socialism are like masculine and feminine: inextricably linked and vital to the whole.
Victor and Lisbeth, I have failed to make my point and I apologize for that.
Your opinion of Chavez is negative. He won the last election. You're stuck with him until he resigns or dies or is turned down at the polls. Your visceral politics are mirrored in this country. Obama won twice; twice those who hate him (especially on the right) want "their country" back. They're stuck with him, though, until the next election.
When half a country disagrees with the results of an election, that half will stew and fret until the next time. It's happening here; it's obviously happening there. You're apparently free enough so that you sit and criticize the current government without being arrested. Perhaps some of you are angry because your previous social or financial status has been jeopardized and you now "want your country back." Just wait. Chavez is ill and won't be around much longer. Then you can try again. Democratically, ojala!
For the purpose of my comments, I have no position on what Chavez has done or should do. He was elected in a free election, however. What I do care about is the drumbeat for war that has been a constant theme in US media since Chavez came to power, especially after he smelled sulfur at the UN. When a great magazine like the New Yorker sinks to the visceral neo-liberal screed, it gives one reason to worry. I comment out of concern for my country and its almost insatiable hunger for inserting itself militarily throughout the world.
I never want to hear "Who Lost Venezuela?" uttered in US politics and media. I want peace. So, Lisbeth, from my perspective this is about the US.
By the way, Alfonso, I completely understand your dismissal of Pamela Collett's opinions as she has only visited Caracas every year for the past twelve years. Only someone who sits in his chair full time can truly understand what's going on. We had the same problem with a moronic Frenchman some years back who thought he saw things while traveling through this country that the full time residents missed. What a jerk! Whoever heard of de Tocqueville, anyway?
Terry:
I've read the article (using 5.99 of my yearly government approved quota of 400 USD, because we Venezuelans have a controlled access to foreign currency) and aside of one or two things Mr. Anderson got wrong, or argued in a way I don't personally agree with, I fail to see any hidden agendas. As previous stated by Victor, perhaps for you this is a piece of journalism, a foreign subject worth to be discussed and commented, but this is reality for us. Everyday reality.
Mr. Naureckas makes an extra effort, to ridicule the supposed outrage of Mr. Anderson about private property thievery. In reality, it is the architect interviewed who express such a view, that I deem justified. See? There's where I can get how far, how alien of a subject must be Venezuelan and particularly Caracas reality for Mr. Naureckas. There's where I get he doesn't know how bad, run down and corrupted things are down here.
Worries, concern about private property runs deep nowadays, specially since the incendiary speech of Chavez (and laws enacted by the chavistas) had unleashed a wave of invasions, and a wave that spare no one. I'm not talking about invasions of disenfranchised ones, on rich very, very rich property. No, this is a threat against everyone. Anyone can see their property seized, even if it is their only property (like their house, for example)
My own grandmother lost her house to her tenants, that refuse to pay the overly low rent for the space they use. And you know what's the funny part? They can't be evicted. Now, they have the right to seize the whole property. Without paying a damn cent. That's what that architect is talking about. CONFISCATIONS. Right out thievery…
Private property talk is nothing ridiculous, or ludicrous nowadays in Venezuela… But that would be something that only somebody living down here (or someone with sufficient first hand knowledge) would know about…
Steve:
We are free enough to post comments in an English blog that no one is monitoring. But don't be fooled by that. People have been arrested here in Venezuela for posting "inappropiate" things (rumours) on Twitter. You can check that out for yourself.
BTW, are we to understand you are comparing us with the Tea Party followers, or something like that? I'm just asking, I don't know what you really meant with that comment yours about our politics here mirroring your politics there.
And honestly, since I don't know if you are bringing that story about the french guy as an irony directed to my, or you are just making a funny comment (written language have that limitation) I can only say: Yes, I stand by what I said. Living here is not the same thing as visiting the place. That is practically the same thing as saying "being boyfriend and girlfriend is the same thing as living together, married".
Victor,
I fully understand that conditions are awful for many in Venezuela. I can see that Chavez's socialist government has been corrupted much the same as Cuba and the Soviet Union had been before it. However, this is the fault of Chavez and his cronies, not a problem inherent Socialism. Socialism is an aspect of a balanced economy, i.e., the postal service, the army, and social security are socialist services provided by the US government. To the extent that a government favors Socialism or Capitalism to the exclusion of the other, there will be trouble. I'm only saying that Anderson's article is trying to say, as is a popular perception in the US, that Socialism is inherently bad, which is like saying right hands are good and left hands are bad. Either "ism" without the balance of the other is going to be bad.
Since Chavez took power, he encouraged people squatting unused buildings. Although the Government hasn't actively supported invasions, it has certainly turned a blind eye. Especially since the severe 2010 floods, Chavez determined to fit "another Caracas inside Caracas". This has been done by way of expropriating private buildings, shopping malls, and parking lots. These expropriations have been carried out without properly compensating the legitimate owners of these properties, moreover, Some of these new "apartment complexes" have been built without parking spaces, proper water and electricity services, and without any kind of urban planning. Moreover, they have violated city regulations by placing cement factories within city limits, jeopardizing city dweller's health.
On top of practically confiscating private property (until the owners are dully compensated I will refer to them as confiscations), Chavez's administration and allied local governments have refused to invest in government buildings so that they can allocate homeless people. David's tower is the paradigmatic example of that. If Chavez' administration cared to give proper housing to the poor, they would have taken control of the tower and finish the construction, with the proper changes to make it suitable for people to live there. They would have not allowed some thug to take control of it, letting him charge rent to the squatters.
John Lee Anderson is fair in acknowledging the efforts by local Chavista mayor Jorge Rodriguez. I can't know what JLA's intentions are. But saying this article is part resembles "corporate media coverage of an official enemy state" is utter nonsense.
Nobody is saying the poor are worse off under Chavez' administration (who's enjoyed an oil boom worth a trillion dollars). The only point the article makes is that Chavez' urban planning, or lack thereof, has contributed to the city becoming more of a 3 million peopole slum, instead of helping the poor get proper housing. In this regard, it can be said that JLA's piece is fair in its coverage. This is the opinion of more than one architect/urban planner, not just some Chavez hater, as the article describes Guillermo Barrios in order to dismiss his professional opinion.
This headline is misleading and in the spirit of everything FAIR stands against. Having read the article in question, I can say that John Lee Anderson did not have a problem with people living in the Tower of David. He was attempting to capture the ambiquity of the situation in Caracas where armed thugs invade private property and set up safe, affordable housing for the poor and homeless.
Are they criminals? Are they promoting public good?
The only judgement he makes is that it would be better if people didn't have to live in slums and half-finished skyscrapers, at the mercy of men who may or may not be racketeering criminals.
You should definitely change the headline and issue an apology, or else you will be just another news outlet that holds others to a standard you yourselves fail to meet.
[...] Jim Naureckas, "Why Do Poor People Living in an Abandoned Skyscraper So Outrage the New Yorker?" [...]
This article makes we wonder if the writer has been to Caracas over the past decade? There is NO doubt the security situation in Caracas is virtually nonexistent. Garbage piled up on main streets. Corruption is the norm. Truly sad to see what has happened before my eyes over the past 10 years and a dozen trips to Caracas
And, still, I wonder how many of the anti- Chavez posters here aren't just trolls from the US. Hmmm… It's not unbelieveable that there are dissenters, but exactly what are the naysayers seeking? Utopia? Norway & Sweden are far from it. There is no perfect place. You have a problem with the poor taking some land or property? Stop crying. The US governments exercises its powers via eminant domain at-will. Corporations are often allowed to bully people off their land and out of their homes. You cry about 3 million poor people in urbania? Take a look at Los Angeles and cities across the US with far more in poverty collectively. The homeless here are simply shoved to the side, treated like criminals, and ostracized. Many of these homeless are US veterans who fought in our profiteering wars; they return to a country that has foreclosed on their homes, forgotten about them in employment, and left them to the streets when they suffer the mental and physical effects of war. The grass is no greener here. It just looks that way in pictures issued by the media, owned by only 5 corporations that control the entire country's voice. Capitalism is not the answer. Laissez faire is not the answer. Monopolization is not the answer. Chavez's greatest legacy is keeping US paws off of Venezuela. Anyone who lives there ought to be on knees, thanking God, Buddha, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and whoever else he/she can thank for that. Look at what transnational corporations have done to the rest of Latin America. Look how children are drinking toxic water and suffering from mutations because of Chiquita's pesticides. Look how farmers are unable to sustain their crops and families because of Monsanto's gmo seeds. Look at the tragedy that is Mexico, its corruption, oppression of citizens, violence, theft of people's economic and intrinsic will… Theens fact that there are some Cubans, for example, who are angry about losing their place on the totem pole because equality took precedence over individual greed there is not an excuse to view the government's entire plan as a wash. There will always be positives and negatives to any society. What kind of self-serving person only thinks of his/her own family without regard for the families around him/her? Perhaps, for Venezuela and Cuba, these wealth mongers must be regulated for the preservation of all. In the US, these are typical citizens, who disregard their neighbors, the people whom they walk past, and–even–their own families. The day may come soon that Venezuela is raped for its resources by the almighty USA. You will only be able to wish for a man like Chavez then. Then you will remember the pictures of how we have devastated Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan; then you will cry that the people have no Chavez. I will pray for you that this never occurs. ¡Viva!
Kali Kross:
"…And, still, I wonder how many of the anti- Chavez posters here aren’t just trolls from the US…"
It is really that unbelievable to have Venezuelans against Chávez posting here?
If you're curious, I end up here after a Google search on Jon Lee Anderson's article… And for the life of me, I still can't believe how so many Americans are so deluded with Chávez, and what he has supposedly done in Venezuela…
BTW, are the only trolls the one criticizing this article? How about the ones that call us "fascists" and "CIA agents"? Are those not trolls?
"…You have a problem with the poor taking some land or property? Stop crying…"
Do you even know what is happening in with expropiaciones (seizing of private property) in Venezuela? Unfortunately, it has little to do with the parallel you propose (eminent domain). At least in the U.S. there is a due process. Expropiaciones here are mostly confiscation of private property and land, without any kind of compensation to the owner, big or small. There was actually a case, very recent, where the owner of a parking lot (that was also, his home, as his house was located within it) was evicted by bolivarian militia, by force (at gunpoint). His home demolished almost at once. He is still waiting for his compensation. Since he is an elderly person, he can't get a job anywhere.
Does that sound as due process to you?
"…You cry about 3 million poor people in urbania? Take a look at Los Angeles and cities across the US with far more in poverty collectively. The homeless here are simply shoved to the side, treated like criminals, and ostracized. Many of these homeless are US veterans who fought in our profiteering wars; they return to a country that has foreclosed on their homes, forgotten about them in employment, and left them to the streets when they suffer the mental and physical effects of war…"
I don't "cry" about 3 million poor in the barrios surrounding the cities. What I protest about, is the notion that Chávez somehow "erased" poverty. And that is not actually the case. The barrios, the slums, are still there.
We have more violence right now, than ten years ago. So, if he actually solved the problem for people of low income, how is this possible?
And please, don't put words in people's mouths. Try to avoid the "strawman fallacy resource"
And, sorry, I don't care about the U.S. internal problems. Those are your problems, not ours. I care about what is happening in my country, a country you don't live in.
"…The grass is no greener here. It just looks that way in pictures issued by the media…"
I could say pretty much the same: Grass is nor greener here. It's just wishful thinking on the part of America's left. You seem to think this is socialist paradise, or something like it, because you read it from Fair.org.
You're not even here.
"…Chavez’s greatest legacy is keeping US paws off of Venezuela…"
Geez, what a great legacy. That, and the biggest foreign debt we had had in years. Oh, and the never-ending crime wave, due to the lack of resources (apparently, giving money elsewhere to "revolutionaries" and dictators friendly with Chavez was more important)
"…Anyone who lives there ought to be on knees, thanking God, Buddha, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and whoever else he/she can thank for that…"
Why would I have to thank Chavez for? For calling us "traitors, weasels"? For having divided this country into two camps that hate each other to their guts? For putting us in the brink of a civil war? For destroying our internal production so much, that we have to import now what we used to export, like coffee (just to mention one example)? For legalize harassment and make miserable the life of public sector employees against Chávez?
Oh yeah, we have to be so grateful of this:
http://www.soloenvenezuela.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hijosde.jpg
(in Spanish: "sons of fucking immigrants, get out")
And this:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abASlsAyXgoE
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=pr/200512061532
And of course, this:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2012/07/crime-venezuela
"…There will always be positives and negatives to any society…"
Unfortunately, the negatives outweigh the positive in this case.
"…What kind of self-serving person only thinks of his/her own family without regard for the families around him/her? Perhaps, for Venezuela and Cuba, these wealth mongers must be regulated for the preservation of all…"
Yes, only the wealth mongers are against Chávez.
And more than 6 million of them voted against Chávez in 2012 presidential election…
Boy, we are so full of wealth mongers!
BTW, I'm taking a screenshot of your post, and take it to Google + for further discussion. You will be able to find me, as I will tag you to the post…
Very thoughtful comment.
Obviously, those who have benefited from usurping the rights to the natural wealth of the land before Chavez do not want to give up the "right" to enjoy the fruits of these god-given resources. Land is not something that the rich invented. Land and natural resources should be reserved for all people to enjoy. Private property rights beyond personal property rights is a matter for the majority to decide what is right and proper.
Too often, and not only in less developed countries, the accumulators feel that they deserve to hold property without social responsibility. Ironically they seem to feel more offended by having to share the wealth of their country than the poor have felt for having their share confiscated by unjust property accumulations that have gone on for generations.
Sure pal, the more than 6 million Venezuelans that voted last October against Chávez in the presidential election fit that profile… They are all accumulators of wealth…
Another "expert" on Venezuelans affairs living abroad…
Thank you for your non-response and ad hominid critique.
Political Economist: I know this is not my discussion. But the same way you are unable to get the point of the New Yorker's article, you fail to understand what Alfonso is trying to tell you. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE CHAVEZ DO IT FOR REASONS OTHER THAN BEING BOURGEOIS WHINING ABOUT LOSING THEIR PRIVILEDGES.
Non-Venezuelans have every right to discuss Venezuelan politics. But they should expect to be called on their BS. Your post is nothing but a sad generic repetition of a class warfare speech from the 60's. Seriously, learn about Venezuela! You'll learn that people criticize Chavez not because they're rich but because his government is incredibly corrupt, because crime is worse than ever, because they let people invade, but instead of providing them with support so they can live with dignity, they let some thug take over and charge them rent! (btw, this is in the article, which I'm not sure you read). Sorry for the ad hominem, but it seems to be the easiest way to get your attention!
I appreciate your interest in our country.
I was about to comment, but I think PM has said it all…
There are many reasons to be upset with the situation in Venezuela under Chavez. There are many causes for these problems and Chavez's leadership or lack of it deserves scrutiny. His leadership deserves as well approbation for reducing inequality and providing services to the majority who had limited access to services such as medical care. The corporate media in Venezuela as in the rest of the world attacks leaders who try to provide such access.
In neoliberal capitalism the government-led so-called "free market" has pushed inequality in all of the largest economies to extremes unseen since the era preceding the collapse of the world economy in the Great Depression. If you think the rise of fascism is something to be celebrated, you may stick you head in the sand and say things like in response to an honest analysis of the current ideology of neoliberalism: "Your post is nothing but a sad generic repetition of a class warfare speech from the 60′s." But, the interested readers will note that you did not dispute this analysis or offer a different one. Indeed, my analysis was based on the concepts of natural law developed by such conservative thinkers as John Locke and Adam Smith.
Venezuela under Chavez's leadership, however flawed, did manage to change the direction of change towards increasing inequality. In the US most dramatically but also elsewhere throughout the so-called developed world the dynamic has been towards greater and greater inequality such as has been typical of Latin America until more recently. Democracy is increasingly strangled with increasing inequality but strengthened with increasing equality. The US and Latin America provide paradigmatic examples of this for better and worse.
There are reasons the majority voted for Chavez and by citing that many did not while ignoring the progressive reason why the MAJORITY did makes your arguments sound to most of us like you are bitter about losing out to the lesser privileged who are now enjoying some of the privileges that you have always enjoyed. If you are not willing to work with all of your country's people to make a better place for all then you do not deserve your special privileges. I suggest you look inward and examine why the majority of people have supported this flawed political party formerly led by Chavez. There are reasons both good and bad. However, on of the goo, for example, the inclusion of the majority in having access to medical care.
The reason you sound so self-serving to the vast majority of readers is that you do not sound willing to face facts and accept that poor people in your country as elsewhere are as deserving of needed services as you are. And if neoliberal capitalism cannot provide all people who want work with jobs (and don't say that Venezuela is not part of the world system of neoliberal capitalism), then is the problem with the people or with capitalism in its current stage of development (or more properly DIS-development).
"…If you think the rise of fascism is something to be celebrated…"
And where do we say that?
This is one of your many incursions in the "Straw-man fallacy" argument. Good try.
"…the interested readers will note that you did not dispute this analysis or offer a different one…"
What I do note, as a Venezuelan interested reader, is that your speech is not much different than the speech of the chavistas: neoliberalism, fascism, liberalism, etc. etc. You people seem to be trapped 40 years ago, in the world of the Cold War.
And by the way, I do think that when it comes to fascism (if we are going to talk really about fascism) Chavez government fits the definition discussed by Norberto Bobbio, that regards fascism as a "political system that tries to carry out a unitary framework of a society in crisis, within a dimension both dynamic and tragic, promoting mass mobilization by identifying social demands with national claims".
"…Venezuela under Chavez’s leadership, however flawed…"
Yeah, nevermind the political harassment, the firing of employees of the public sector over a recall request for Chávez, the gross corruption within the government condoned by the official party, the rise in crime and violence, the neglect of the public hospital networks, or the destruction of our production capacity in the countryside… Those are peanuts…
"…did manage to change the direction of change towards increasing inequality…"
Yeah? And how come the barrios are still there?
How come we have more violence than ever before?
How come that people without home (the ones that lose their houses during 2010 floods) are still in refuges?
How come, when we have received one of the most spectacular flow of cash, thanks to the rise in oil prices, we have cases like the one described in Jon Lee Anderson, people living in an unfinished building? How come the government can come up with the cash to give them decent housing, but does find the money to give it to Nicaragua, Bolivia and Cuba?
"…There are reasons the majority voted for Chavez and by citing that many did not while ignoring the progressive reason why the MAJORITY did makes your arguments sound to most of us like you are bitter about losing out to the lesser privileged who are now enjoying some of the privileges that you have always enjoyed…"
Apparently you never heard of the Argumentum ad Populum fallacy.
(Let's just consider how many spaniards and chileans supported Pinochet and Franco)
Or about the Strawman fallacy, because you keep pushing your smear agenda: The mischaracterization of our opinions, based on what you imagine are our factual positions in our country.
And hence the example of the 6.591.304 Venezuelans that voted AGAINST Chávez. In your attempt to oversimplify our stances, you seem to imply that everyone against Chávez is a Bourgeoisie complaining about lost privileges.
Boy, we seem to have a lot of those, judging for the numbers.
And again,amazing for a guy that doesn't even live in Venezuela, and whose probable sources of information (on my country) are most likely websites like this one, his efforts to lecture Venezuelans about their realities.
Your opinion. My reality.
"…If you are not willing to work with all of your country’s people to make a better place for all then you do not deserve your special privileges…"
Who are you to tell me what do I, or what do I not deserve in my own country, or who I should be aligned to?
"…The reason you sound so self-serving to the vast majority of readers is that you do not sound willing to face facts and accept that poor people in your country as elsewhere are as deserving of needed services as you are…"
Again, Strawman fallacy. Don't presume to know what are my opinions about the issue of poverty in Venezuela.
Chavez has not resolved the issue of poverty in Venezuela, and that thing that appears overseas as a solution, is not a sustainable model.
Otherwise, we wouldn't be swamped in debt with the chinese, even though we have records prices in the oil market…
How about that?
Boy, you are so deluded…
You should at least accept the previous persons argument that people also resent Chavez's government because he has worked to create a more equitable distribution of wealth. Certainly Chavez's legacy will be problematic. His methods were often crude and he did create a real rift in Venezuela. Let's hope that the best of Chavez's real revolution will continue in the next administration and that that government is better able to include the people that Chavez did not. Only the wealthy that Chavez condemned will want a return to the pre Chavez Venezuela, and, if that occurs, you will see conditions that will create real grounds for revolution. The rights of the poor have been recognised and they will not give in silently to a return of the old regime. I think you can look to the rest of the continent to see the trend. South America is a real guiding light for the world today.
"…You should at least accept the previous persons argument that people also resent Chavez's government because he has worked to create a more equitable distribution of wealth. Certainly Chavez's legacy will be problematic…"
Why should I accept what is an obvious and gross oversimplification? And on top of that, from a guy that doesn't even live in my country?
Evidently a substantial majority of people who live in your country reject what you say and stand for. But then maybe they aren't the kind of people who you can respect just because they live in YOUR country.
You make an excellent argument although some people will not accepit for one illogical reason or another–such as "you don't even live in MY country."
"…But then maybe they aren't the kind of people who you can respect just because they live in YOUR country…"
Again, you are playing your "Straw-man fallacy" card.
Quite boring. And so common in extremists (I'm guessing here, but it seems to be your case)
Does it make it easier for you? Distort everything the other side is saying, so you can "hate them" or "despise them" better?
You don't know me, or what I stand for. Don't pretend otherwise so I can fit your imaginary "political enemy profile"…
One comment that repeats itself on this thread is that "Chavez took the tower from the rich and gave it to the poor."
The problem with that argument is that the tower in question (a.k.a David's Tower) belongs to the government. Yeap! The government took possession of it, as the original owner (a bank) went bankrupt. That was years before Chavez took power.
So, if Chavez government wanted it for housing (which is fine), then the least this government should have done is convert it to a decent apt building with all the basic service, like running water and electricity.
The previous didn't happened. The government just let the people invade the building and that's it. Excuse me for wanting that my people lives in decent conditions. According to many, since they're poor they deserve shit, it doesn't matter what shit they got from Chavez, the good thing is that they got one. Well, I for one resent such a position.
But hey, don't believe me! Judge for yourself:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/2011/02/28/world/americas/100000000672239/venezuela-skyscraper.html
If you think that the source of the video is biased, then watch it without audio (although you'll lost a good chunk of the history). The images will speak for itself on how decent the lives of these people are, and how Chavez "resolved" their problem, by doing nothing. BTW, that video is from 2011, way before the New Yorkers article.
This short video is also "nice":
http://vimeo.com/49094660
Check it out, no guard rails for the children living up on the 15th floor. Yeap! that's the kind of help the poor needs around the world.
Cheers.
"…You make an excellent argument although some people will not accepit for one illogical reason or another–such as 'you don't even live in MY country.'…"
Sorry fella, but that is the case: You don't even live in Venezuela, and yet you are trying to lecture me about a reality you don't even know. All you know are bits and pieces you receive over the Internet, hardly the complete picture of it.
And an outdated one, judging for your Cold War vocabulary…
Alfonso, escribes en algun lado?
PM, escribo en panfletonegro.com (en español). Allí me podrás encontrar por el otro alias que utilizo, Gibarian
También me podrás encontrar en Google +, pero para eso tendrías que darme tu correo…
Recuerda que en los comentarios de Fair.org no puedes colocar direcciones Web, o el símbolo arroba. Ten eso en cuenta cuando escribas la dirección…
You have revealed yourself.
More ad hominid BS . More repetition of self-serving right-wing views that everyone in this space is immune to.
pmontu33 arroa yimeil
Sure pal, I have "revealed" myself…
Luke, I AM YOUR FATHER!!!!
You're so full it.
Keep picturing imaginary enemies in your head. Keep telling yourself that everyone that contradict your deluded opinion is a right winger. I guess that makes it easy for you….
And by the way, it's "Ad-Hominem", not "Ad-Hominid"…
And if "everyone" (fallacy of composition) in this place it's immune to logic and reason, well, then this place is worse than I originally thought…
La codicia de los ricos se denota en la mayoría de las religiones en todo el mundo como un pecado mayor que el asesinato. No compartir, la acumulación por ninguna otra razón que la avaricia es un producto del capitalismo. Me siento profundamente apenado por todos los afectados por la codicia, así como para los que están wictims de la misma. Viva el socialismo
Bozidar Kornic:
¿Y que mayor codicia que la de Chávez y su entorno familiar? Bastante que se llenaron de dinero durante sus años de gobierno.
Chávez no era precisamente un hombre modesto.
http://www.abc.es/internacional/20130310/abci-privilegios-apelliarse-chavez-201303091951.html
Desde el hondo crisol de la patria
se levanta el clamor popular,
ya se anuncia la nueva alborada,
todo Chile comienza a cantar.
Recordando al soldado valiente
cuyo ejemplo lo hiciera inmortal,
enfrentemos primero a la muerte,
traicionar a la patria jamás.
Venceremos, venceremos,
mil cadenas habrá que romper,
venceremos, venceremos,
la miseria (al fascismo) sabremos vencer.
Campesinos, soldados, mineros,
la mujer de la patria también,
estudiantes, empleados y obreros,
cumpliremos con nuestro deber.
Sembraremos las tierras de gloria,
socialista será el porvenir,
todos juntos haremos la historia,
a cumplir, a cumplir, a cumplir
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