The emerging storyline after the Republican presidential debate this week was that far-right Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann is for real, mostly because she managed to sound, well, a little less crazy than she's sounded before. (No, they didn't quite put it like that.)
There are stories about Bachmann's new Bach-mentum in the New York Times (6/15/11), the Washington Post (6/14/11) and USA Today (6/15/11).
Let's take the Times' lead:
The key question for Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota before the Republican debate on Monday night was whether she could appeal to voters beyond the Tea Party wing that she helped to create, while avoiding the gaffes that have sometimes emerged from her strident, passionate persona.
By most accounts, she did just that. Ms. Bachmann toned her rhetoric down a bit and offered herself as a competent, knowledgeable insider who would nonetheless carry on the fight against big government with the zeal of a Tea Party activist.
She's hired veteran GOP strategists, the Times' Michael Shear notes:
Those moves suggest that Ms. Bachmann, who is often mocked by late-night comedians and liberal cable hosts as a nutty right-winger, wants to dispel that caricature as she pursues the nomination.
Well OK. Then turn to the Times editorial about the debates, where you read this:
Michele Bachmann had the strangest, most simplistic economic solution of all: simply close down the Environmental Protection Agency, which she said "should really be renamed the Job-Killing Organization of America."
I guess if I was writing a piece about how Bachmann toned down the crazy in this debate, I'd leave out that quote too. It kind of makes it sound like she didn't.
About Peter Hart
Bachmann thinks Obama wants to destroy socialist Medicare and force seniors to buy private insurance.
â┚¬Ã…“This hasn\'t been talked about very much â┚¬“ the president\'s plan for senior citizens is Obamacare,â┚¬Ã‚ Ms. Bachmann told party activists over the weekend. She added, â┚¬Ã…“I think very likely what the president intends is that Medicare will go broke and ultimately that answer will be Obamacare for senior citizens.â┚¬Ã‚Â
Jonathan Chait explains….Medicare is a single-payer program — the kind liberals have always wanted for the non-elderly, but didn't get. Turning Medicare into something like the Affordable Care Act would be to move them off single-payer health care and onto a regulated system of private insurance. That would be a conservative plot. I don't think Obama is planning it, and if he were, it would prove he's far more right wing than anybody imagined.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/90245/bachmann-obama-hates-socialism?utm_source=The+New+Republic&utm_campaign=d4cb9da619-TNR_Pol_062011&utm_medium=email
At the end of a long day, Obama said he had visited 57 states when the right number was 47. An obvious slip of the tongue. That doesn't remotely prove he's stupid.
"Remember BAM was said to have more gaffes than Bush when measured during their respective election runs."
Who said that? Where's the data?
"Your throwing numbers around in a delusional game son."
I'm citing actual numbers. There is nothing delusional about them. I realize facts don't matter to you.
Williams is a big believer in Ayn Rand. Anyone paying more than minute to his thoughts on how economies work ends up being misled.
So Dr williams is a fool eh?Obvious slip of the tongue eh?How about when BAM said after 25 years of close close friendship with that racist separatist creep Rev never right that um- he never heard anything of the nature considering the good Reverends racist blatherings caught on tape (and for sale)any number of times,or had any contact with bill bomber airhead(seems as if he did write obamas book for him according to him and a number of studies(BILL O'LEARY).Seems we have either a liar or a fool or an incompetent as our prez.
HOW about these numbers.Misery index is at a 28 year high.62% higher than when bam took office.Highest was 21.98 in june 1980(carter)Lowest in july 53 3.97 .Look i get it…everybody that wonders after 3 years of Obama, how in the hell he got into Harvard(my school)are never going to be answered.Everything sucks and we are supposed to buy he is doing a great job.THAT is your delusional thinking.Not ours..You have one chance and one chance only to keep power.Changing Demographics…Blacks will vote 98% Obama in a massive racist vote(even Jesus would not receive 98% Catholic votes)And hispanics who will never bite the hands that feeds it.Sad but true.i call it the liberal nanny state brain siphon.Other than that you actually have to do this weird thing called run on your record.Of course libs cant vote Right even if they had a crystal ball that said this country would explode economically under Romney, and die in a nuclear holocaust under obama.It simply is not in their DNA to see it any other way.Come what may
I love that you question who what where said Obama had more gaffes.As if if it was proven to you beyond any shadow of a doubt it would matter one wit.If you found Sarah has a higher IQ would you care(she supposedly does 129 to 116)Yeah Rush is dumb…..(kieth O a genius)Newt an idiot…(Weiner a great man)Rove a moron….(Biden a thinker)the only facts that matter to you wonks are those that prove that a massively empowered Fed able to rule, and redistribute other peoples wealth are the way to go .Sorry I will try to impart a little perspective to your weird slippery slope.Don't ask me to do more to force you across the reality line.
Read Walter Williams.He will frustrate your mind fuck training with hard facts and insight.When you realize at some point how wrong you have been about so much you believed in(Reagan)well we will leave a light on for ya.
I'm amazed that anyone would read more than one sentence from the delusional Michael e. No, I'm NOT trying to get him to write more, but, no doubt, he will.
People who are presented with the facts and a link to them, either haven't the intellectual curiosity to check it out or are so involved with their own fantasy of misinformation that they would rather stay in la la land.
Sure am glad I don't know this guy and have the good sense to NOT read his entire post or reply to any of them. Only one way to stop his drive down the slipery highway of deceit. DON'T REPLY to him.
I just hope there aren't so many more like him that Bachmann is able to remain on the national political scene. Her positions are scarifying and her voice is so ear splitting it can stop clocks. As for her "buddy," Sarah Palin, I was working in Alaska in 2008 when she was governer. While many people were indifferent to her, many did not like her at all. They were shocked to find her on the McCain ticket and worked very hard to let people know that pretty is isn't always as pretty does.
"I love that you question who what where said Obama had more gaffes.As if if it was proven to you beyond any shadow of a doubt it would matter one wit."
Why can't you simply cite the source and then watch how i react to it? You've referred to the study more than once. Am I mistaken in assuming you know where you saw it and who said it?
My lord man- people have taken the time to write entire articles on this nonsense.The net is overwhelmed with it.Why must you have people (me)take time to search through data to ease your mind.Look for yourself for Gods sake.
Liz(love that name)I was working in Chicago in 2008.Wanna know what folks i knew thought of Obama?A liar ….a nothing…….a sad product of the Saul Alinski school of thug politics.A crook,and a socialist.As for Mrs Bachmann she is not my first choice either.Or sarah.The simple point is either of them are 1000x better than this complete zero.
Your wasting your time, B. S. D'Tektor. Check the archives here on the fellow above if you don't believe me. Notice how he lies constantly, and then doesn't try to prove he's right by getting up a link to his bullshit, and then it's all your fault? Excellent work on your part on this thread, by the way. And thanks for your little detail about Michelle Bachmann's old man. I knew it! I knew for sure he was closeted when you reported on his "conversion" therapy and his obsession with homosexuality. (Notice the totalitarian urge implicit in Bachmann's command: â┚¬Ã…“We have a responsibility as parents and authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings.â┚¬Ã‚Â) Just another gay Christer who hates his true nature (think Ted Haggard, or even that dickhead Fred Phelps, among many others), out to make gay men and women miserable. Both Bachmanns are truly wretched human beings, out to enrich themselves and bring the country down to their level (the absolute bottom of a dirty barrel) in the name of God. Here, in Chicago, we have a name for assholes like these two: fuckin' jerks.
P.S.: So right, Elizabeth. Especially about You Know Who. Actually, Norman Goldman suggests that we start trumpeting from the rooftops about how liberal Mitt Romney is so that the Right goes completely apeshit, throws a tantrum, and boots Romney out on his ass. Then, hopefully, Bachmann (or Pawlenty, or numbnets "Goodhair" Perry) will be out front, along with her imbecile self-hating gay husband and their crazy, ignorant, stupid Tea-Bagger admirers. A great show, to be sure. Don't worry: Bachmann has no chance of becoming president, just like her husband has no chance of curing himself of his homosexual "affliction."
Michael, if there were a real source it would have taken you less time to Google it and share the hyperlink than it took to write your nonresponse.
But, I knew you couldn't, because no such study exists…..except in your imagination.
@Tim N
Thanks…my whole kabuki on this thread was rope-a-dope…time well spent.
And yes, the "gay conversion" racket is a great place for a closeted man to hang with the boys, ain't it? She's obviously his beard. Makes me wonder about her and all those foster kids that moved through their household.
"Read Walter Williams.He will frustrate your mind fuck training with hard facts and insight."
Ha, ha. Williams in both a libertarian and an austrian school economist. The last thing he does is work with "facts."
That combo is like being an authority on both Dungeon & Dragons and Ayn Rand books, except with less grasp of basic reality.
"Wanna know what folks i knew thought of Obama?A liar â┚¬Ã‚¦.a nothingâ┚¬Ã‚¦Ãƒ¢Ã¢”š¬Ã‚¦.a sad product of the Saul Alinski school of thug politics.A crook,and a socialist."
Interesting. All your friends have their right wing heads shoved up their right wing asses as far as you do.
Abe…Those friends are Dems
Bs again everyone who shreds your beliefs daily from Rush to Hannity to Beck to Ann C to Bill O and all the rest(millions) who last voted in all those new house members are all full of shit.And the wee bit of info you can glean on google leads the way to truth.Read more books son.(Walter williams would be great)As i tell patients DO NOT google symptoms.It is the people magazine version.Good to read as you take a dump.Not much for deep thought or understanding.And please go back to Obamas promises on the economy after his election and see who has been proven right.Nothing has worked as he said.As far as working for you as an analyst or fact finder…..um how much will you pay?I made good coin for Clinton.I don't mean to be belittling .It is just you are so sure of things you are so wrong about.Your main information channel is google.A patient needing surgery was a little worried.i joked with him that i was not a Dr but i learned the procedure on google.His eyes got real big.Well my eyes get big at the little bit of knowledge that is a dangerous thing on these blogs in the same way..(Notice)I never send links.You see that always on liberal blogs as if they have not a thought of their own.I tweak your nose and hope you re- think your position.I would love to have you think for yourself.Most living in their moms basement libs- take on a confrontation of your expert over mine.
if i do decide to run for the state congressional seat..does this mean i can count on your support?Tim?Carol?Oh boy sounds quiet out there.
Google isn't an information channel. It's a search engine. It produces no content or information. It simply leads to information. Information that can be verified. Unlike yours.
You see article links on liberal websites because the writers want to show sources that confirm the facts being presented. You don't because you can't. Like your fake "study."
Almost all the links I used in this thread were articles I had already read. I read first, form opinions second.
"Bs again everyone from Rush to Hannity to Beck to Ann C to Bill O and all the rest(millions) who last voted in all those new house members are all full of shit."
Credit, where it's due. You finally got something right.
Gore got 90% of the black vote in 2000.
Kerry got 88% of the black vote in 2004.
Obama got 95% of the black vote in 2008.
In other words, half of black republicans switched parties. That's not massive racism, except to a white teabagger.
In 1936, Franklin Roosevelt captured 71 percent of the black vote.
Still, in that Presidential election and the six following ones, Republican nominees took 25 percent to 40 percent of the black vote.
The big change came in 1964 with Barry Goldwater and "states' rights," a phrase and philosophy widely seen as anti-black and opposed by President Lyndon B. Johnson, the godfather of voting rights for blacks. In that Presidential election and the seven after, no Republican gained more than 15 percent of the black vote.
G. H. W. Bush received 10 percent in 1988. In 1992, he added one percentage point. In 1996 Robert Dole got 12% of the black vote while Ross Perot got 4%
B.S. D'Tektor, you're a pontificatin' font of info, alright. "Doktor" Troll, and his patients, and their advisors Ayn "Witless" Rand and Walter "Wiggles" Williams, recoil at your every truth-dig. Superb work, sir.
B.s..There is no faction(certainly not the white faction)that will ever again vote 95% white or republican or anything else i can imagine.I state again.White people will never vote in a block in the 95 percentile for ANYTHING ever again thank you God.If it did it would be racism.Plain and simple.It is not even arguable.
Ho hum ho hum……..In the future if this is the only way you can "think"I will try to help you along with google articles that you can understand, and use to understand that the way you see things is not the only way a subject can be viewed.Take it for granted that even that which I proffer to you will be in my eyes akin to people mag.A small snippet without context or expansion.I am sure that when the president is formulating his policy and plans that he seldom goes to google for direction.Though he probably uses it to help his daughters with homework.
Tim…Ever read Atlas shrugged?Great book.Ok maybe not as good as the communist manifesto or the socialist handbook but…..:)
My prescription for you is to sit down on the beach in a comfortable beach chair.Take out a cold beer(if you can on your beach)Turn the radio to your favorite station,put your shades on and RELAX.Relax and breathe(remember to use sunblock 30+ at least .)Take a good long look at that insanely beautiful girl in the red bathing suit.Life is good bud.It is damn good
Ps Tim I have got to know.Im gonna get personal here.You have to answer this cause its gonna keep me up nights if you dont.Be serious.B.s you can get in on this
What kind of music do you like?Simple easy question.Whos is your fav?
what is a recession?When your neighbor looses his job
What is a depression?When you loose yours
What is recovery?When obama looses his YUYKYUKYUK
What is a teabagger?
Someone who misspells the same word three times in an attempt to tell a joke.
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