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	<title>Comments on: Douthat: Green Zone Was Fictional, But Not in the Right Way</title>
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		<title>By: Brad Carrier</title>
		<link>http://www.fair.org/blog/2010/03/15/douthat-green-zone-was-fictional-but-not-in-the-right-way/comment-page-1/#comment-14448</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Carrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having seen the movie (after my post, above) I find other points to ponder. 

The movie was not as tense and exciting as the other two Bourn movies.  It jarred in a wearing way.  Too much shaky cam.  Too much fictional speculation.  Too close to Chalabi, as if he would have rescued the situation he helped create.  I shouldn&#039;t have sat too close to the screen!

That said, I&#039;m glad the public sees a deep questioning of the prevailing line.  We were deliberately lied to, over and over, in a hurry.  Remember the rush to war?  Remember that the neo-cons read &quot;Shock and Awe,&quot; advising inflicting utter horror as a way of subjugating people, before launching their battle of that same name?  Only shaky old Robert Byrd stood up to the madness.  (For that alone I take his last name as my new name.)  

This movie, like Avatar, opens up the possibility of members of the military thinking more than obeying, acting for the innerly known good more than the told one.  Since Vietnam, we&#039;re learning how not to kill those who have been dehumanized.  Rather, the &quot;gooks,&quot; &quot;ragheads,&quot; etc. are human, and we&#039;re learning how to be humane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having seen the movie (after my post, above) I find other points to ponder. </p>
<p>The movie was not as tense and exciting as the other two Bourn movies.  It jarred in a wearing way.  Too much shaky cam.  Too much fictional speculation.  Too close to Chalabi, as if he would have rescued the situation he helped create.  I shouldn&#039;t have sat too close to the screen!</p>
<p>That said, I&#039;m glad the public sees a deep questioning of the prevailing line.  We were deliberately lied to, over and over, in a hurry.  Remember the rush to war?  Remember that the neo-cons read &#034;Shock and Awe,&#034; advising inflicting utter horror as a way of subjugating people, before launching their battle of that same name?  Only shaky old Robert Byrd stood up to the madness.  (For that alone I take his last name as my new name.)  </p>
<p>This movie, like Avatar, opens up the possibility of members of the military thinking more than obeying, acting for the innerly known good more than the told one.  Since Vietnam, we&#039;re learning how not to kill those who have been dehumanized.  Rather, the &#034;gooks,&#034; &#034;ragheads,&#034; etc. are human, and we&#039;re learning how to be humane.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Carrier</title>
		<link>http://www.fair.org/blog/2010/03/15/douthat-green-zone-was-fictional-but-not-in-the-right-way/comment-page-1/#comment-14365</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Carrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our name, and to our growing detriment, our government illegally and immorally invaded an innocent country with actual weapons of mass destruction, because of their imaginary ones.  Far more American lives have been lost in this sociopathic projection than were taken at the World Trade Towers, to say nothing of the far more lives lost and ruined in Iraq, which is what is usually said: nothing.  If protection or revenge were the motives, we might have invaded Saudi Arabia, where the alleged attackers were from. 

Rather, we served Saudi interests, including attacking from Qatar rather from our bases in Saudi Arabia.  There, our footing is precarious, so we sought a new base of Mid-east operations in Iraq, one of two flanks to mount an unneeded war on Iran.  

None of this is the will of the American people, but we have a government out of our control, from the CIA to the new Blackwaters, teaching and launching death squads, overthrowing decent governments, invading hapless people for a lucrative return (for a few) and a shallow sense of macho conquest.  

All of this not only injures others unjustly, it costs us direly.  In the name of defense we are increasing our need to be defended.  We launch mayhem in a culture where honor is satisfied by revenge.  Where is our nobility, wisdom, simple fairness, or even self-protection in this hulking empire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our name, and to our growing detriment, our government illegally and immorally invaded an innocent country with actual weapons of mass destruction, because of their imaginary ones.  Far more American lives have been lost in this sociopathic projection than were taken at the World Trade Towers, to say nothing of the far more lives lost and ruined in Iraq, which is what is usually said: nothing.  If protection or revenge were the motives, we might have invaded Saudi Arabia, where the alleged attackers were from. </p>
<p>Rather, we served Saudi interests, including attacking from Qatar rather from our bases in Saudi Arabia.  There, our footing is precarious, so we sought a new base of Mid-east operations in Iraq, one of two flanks to mount an unneeded war on Iran.  </p>
<p>None of this is the will of the American people, but we have a government out of our control, from the CIA to the new Blackwaters, teaching and launching death squads, overthrowing decent governments, invading hapless people for a lucrative return (for a few) and a shallow sense of macho conquest.  </p>
<p>All of this not only injures others unjustly, it costs us direly.  In the name of defense we are increasing our need to be defended.  We launch mayhem in a culture where honor is satisfied by revenge.  Where is our nobility, wisdom, simple fairness, or even self-protection in this hulking empire?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Sellers</title>
		<link>http://www.fair.org/blog/2010/03/15/douthat-green-zone-was-fictional-but-not-in-the-right-way/comment-page-1/#comment-14359</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Sellers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that pretending to have WMDs weren&#039;t the smartest way to keep a grip on power knowing that it could likely lead to an invasion of his country and the downfall of his regime by any country with more military might and a leadership dumb enough to be fooled by the claim.  (Or smart enough to PRETEND to be dumb enough to be fooled by the claim, anyway.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that pretending to have WMDs weren&#039;t the smartest way to keep a grip on power knowing that it could likely lead to an invasion of his country and the downfall of his regime by any country with more military might and a leadership dumb enough to be fooled by the claim.  (Or smart enough to PRETEND to be dumb enough to be fooled by the claim, anyway.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A leaked British document with notes taken at an emergency meeting between Bush and Blair about two months before Bush&#039;s war on Iraq revealed that Bush and Blair agreed that WMD would not be found in Iraq. Bush said he was going to start a war anyway but they needed a better &quot;pretext.&quot; Blair said he would go along but that they must never say the war was for &quot;regime change.&quot; Bush backed from one lie to another until finally stating that the war was for regime change.

The British parliament demanded to know if the notes were genuine. When the Blair administration admitted that they were, Blair was forced out of office. You have to go to British newspaper to read the full story The &quot;liberal&quot; media in the US pretended it never happened, although former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzeznski read from the leaked document at a Senate hearing with press members in the room. Because of the failure of the US media, members of the Bush administration continued to lie that &quot;everybody believed Iraq had WMD&quot; when not even Bush and Blair believed it.

Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials of Nazi suspects, said that a war of aggression was “the supreme international crime” and that war crimes “are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.&quot;

We are no longer a nation that abides by the rules that we require others to obey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A leaked British document with notes taken at an emergency meeting between Bush and Blair about two months before Bush&#039;s war on Iraq revealed that Bush and Blair agreed that WMD would not be found in Iraq. Bush said he was going to start a war anyway but they needed a better &#034;pretext.&#034; Blair said he would go along but that they must never say the war was for &#034;regime change.&#034; Bush backed from one lie to another until finally stating that the war was for regime change.</p>
<p>The British parliament demanded to know if the notes were genuine. When the Blair administration admitted that they were, Blair was forced out of office. You have to go to British newspaper to read the full story The &#034;liberal&#034; media in the US pretended it never happened, although former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzeznski read from the leaked document at a Senate hearing with press members in the room. Because of the failure of the US media, members of the Bush administration continued to lie that &#034;everybody believed Iraq had WMD&#034; when not even Bush and Blair believed it.</p>
<p>Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials of Nazi suspects, said that a war of aggression was “the supreme international crime” and that war crimes “are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.&#034;</p>
<p>We are no longer a nation that abides by the rules that we require others to obey.</p>
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