Roy Harper, I am not arguing that collective punishment is right. There is no other way, if you can think of one I'm sure everyone in the world would love to hear it. If innocents could be separated out. Arguing the points at some far removed abstract level is pointless, and only works for people not involved who do not care and who just want to sound like know it alls.

Finally, I always just crack up that because these rockets have not killed more people and done more damage than they have that they are not a threat or should be ignored. To focus on trying to control the Israel's is the wrong move here. They are facing the attacks from a huge force against them, and ultimate a huge force that will be against every group that radical Islam is against.

Quibbling about everything but the reality of the situation is a disingenuous approach that in this case supports terrorism and violence. It is like always complaining about Police brutality to the point of calling for an end of the police. Humans make human decisions they do the best they can. All once can do is try to discern the reality behind the two sides, or if someone had to the power to end it. Sadly no one does or will take action, so this war goes on … and it is instigated from just one side – the bottom line.

And if you don't see that Israel is the one with the biggest guns and uses these guns in the decision on how the land is divided, I guess a discussion is a waste of time.

And yes, shooting unguided rockets across the border is much less serious than targeted demolition of homes, blockades, rationing of essential supplies, expulsion of an entire population, etc. You'd make a good point to bring up the suicide attacks, but the rockets, in comparison, are less important and don't even come close to posing an existential threat.

Sure we're not paying them to do these things, but we certainly are paying them, and they certainly are doing these things. Doesn't that call for a bit more scrutiny of their actions?