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	<title>Comments on: New Developments in Honduras--Same Old Bad Media</title>
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		<title>By: September 2009 &#171; Questionable Content</title>
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		<dc:creator>September 2009 &#171; Questionable Content</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Augusto Marr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augusto Marr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &quot;More to the point, Hondurans were asked who they wanted to be their leader–and they elected Zelaya.&quot;

Mr. Zelaya was deposed legally following the constitution of Honduras. Do you think the guy would have left on his own accord? Each country has its own constitution - don&#039;t just apply yours.

http://patdollard.com/2009/06/honduran-president-was-ousted-for-illegally-amending-the-constitution-to-extend-his-rule-just-as-supporter-chavez-did-and-supporter-obama-seeks-to/

Please read the comments by Rob, Ivan the Kafir and Mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#034;More to the point, Hondurans were asked who they wanted to be their leader–and they elected Zelaya.&#034;</p>
<p>Mr. Zelaya was deposed legally following the constitution of Honduras. Do you think the guy would have left on his own accord? Each country has its own constitution &#8211; don&#039;t just apply yours.</p>
<p><a href="http://patdollard.com/2009/06/honduran-president-was-ousted-for-illegally-amending-the-constitution-to-extend-his-rule-just-as-supporter-chavez-did-and-supporter-obama-seeks-to/" rel="nofollow">http://patdollard.com/2009/06/honduran-president-was-ousted-for-illegally-amending-the-constitution-to-extend-his-rule-just-as-supporter-chavez-did-and-supporter-obama-seeks-to/</a></p>
<p>Please read the comments by Rob, Ivan the Kafir and Mark.</p>
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		<title>By: It was Uncle Sam who first gave Iran nuclear equipment &#171; Count Us Out</title>
		<link>http://www.fair.org/blog/2009/09/22/new-developments-in-honduras-same-old-bad-media/comment-page-1/#comment-9560</link>
		<dc:creator>It was Uncle Sam who first gave Iran nuclear equipment &#171; Count Us Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another example of how the media leaves out important things like facts  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ED</title>
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		<dc:creator>ED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned citizen is &quot;amazed&quot; that non-Hondurans have anything to say about Honduras. There is a major confusion here. On the one hand, there is the idea of *including* the voices from the country covered. I have always supported this idea: include middle eastern voices  in reporting about the middle east; likewise about China, Central America, etc. On the other hand, is a very strange notion to *exclude* non-natives.

That insane logic would mean that no one is allowed to report about China unless they lived in China, that no one is allowed to talk about Russia unless they lived in Russia, or the equally insane, &quot;I would never allow another person from another country to bad mouth Bush unless they lived here&quot; which is equally crazy, giving us a world in which most citizens cannot comment about most stories, and most reporters can only cover where they live locally -- say goodbye to anyone covering glboal things like economics, environment, etc. A person from another country has EVERY RIGHT to criticize Bush (or Obama for that matter) based on  information and analysis...they do not have to live in the US, what a crazy idea.

Equally crazy is the idea that the Coup was ok because the supreme court says he broke the law. The bias of these people is evident when they talk about Zelaya&#039;s clear &quot;intentions&quot; to  1.have a referendum whether to 2. later have a vote whether to 3. later, based on the democratic outcome of 2., explore changing the constitution.

The evidence is that the Supreme Court&#039;s &quot;evidence&quot; is probably very minimal, maybe zero. Otherwise, why not arrest him? Why not charge him? Why not bring the evidence to a court of law? They clear have NO hesitation against using troops with guns...that they did...clearly if they wanted to they could have brought charges, if they thought they have real, meaningful evidence. The constitution does not say, &quot;if you are *accused* of breaking the law, then you get thrown out of the country by gunned armed men, without any trial&quot;

This does not mean I agree with everything Zelay or Chavez does, did, says,or said. I do not. But it&#039;s people prepared to support a Coup, all while claiming to &quot;defend democracy&quot;they attack democracy, implying  you do not have to bring any charges in any court, implying you don&#039;t  need to show any facts in any court, and instead you just throw someone out with guns pointed at them instead of showing proof, instead of showing evidence, instead of pressing charges, instead of proving your case in court (as is done against Fujimori) they instead were cowards, anti-democratic, and threw the man out. The constitution might say X is illegal but does not say, &quot;without any trial without any charges, without any proof in a Court of Law, just throw the person out without first Convicting them of a crime&quot; these attitudes are much more frightening than anything Chavez has done, much less, anything Zelaya has ever done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned citizen is &#034;amazed&#034; that non-Hondurans have anything to say about Honduras. There is a major confusion here. On the one hand, there is the idea of *including* the voices from the country covered. I have always supported this idea: include middle eastern voices  in reporting about the middle east; likewise about China, Central America, etc. On the other hand, is a very strange notion to *exclude* non-natives.</p>
<p>That insane logic would mean that no one is allowed to report about China unless they lived in China, that no one is allowed to talk about Russia unless they lived in Russia, or the equally insane, &#034;I would never allow another person from another country to bad mouth Bush unless they lived here&#034; which is equally crazy, giving us a world in which most citizens cannot comment about most stories, and most reporters can only cover where they live locally &#8212; say goodbye to anyone covering glboal things like economics, environment, etc. A person from another country has EVERY RIGHT to criticize Bush (or Obama for that matter) based on  information and analysis&#8230;they do not have to live in the US, what a crazy idea.</p>
<p>Equally crazy is the idea that the Coup was ok because the supreme court says he broke the law. The bias of these people is evident when they talk about Zelaya&#039;s clear &#034;intentions&#034; to  1.have a referendum whether to 2. later have a vote whether to 3. later, based on the democratic outcome of 2., explore changing the constitution.</p>
<p>The evidence is that the Supreme Court&#039;s &#034;evidence&#034; is probably very minimal, maybe zero. Otherwise, why not arrest him? Why not charge him? Why not bring the evidence to a court of law? They clear have NO hesitation against using troops with guns&#8230;that they did&#8230;clearly if they wanted to they could have brought charges, if they thought they have real, meaningful evidence. The constitution does not say, &#034;if you are *accused* of breaking the law, then you get thrown out of the country by gunned armed men, without any trial&#034;</p>
<p>This does not mean I agree with everything Zelay or Chavez does, did, says,or said. I do not. But it&#039;s people prepared to support a Coup, all while claiming to &#034;defend democracy&#034;they attack democracy, implying  you do not have to bring any charges in any court, implying you don&#039;t  need to show any facts in any court, and instead you just throw someone out with guns pointed at them instead of showing proof, instead of showing evidence, instead of pressing charges, instead of proving your case in court (as is done against Fujimori) they instead were cowards, anti-democratic, and threw the man out. The constitution might say X is illegal but does not say, &#034;without any trial without any charges, without any proof in a Court of Law, just throw the person out without first Convicting them of a crime&#034; these attitudes are much more frightening than anything Chavez has done, much less, anything Zelaya has ever done</p>
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